4. DISCUSS: Teaching and Learning...

4. DISCUSS: Teaching and Learning...

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Teaching and learning are two related but different concepts.  We can be in a classroom (real or virtual, formal or informal) where concepts are taught...but we don't learn.  And other times we can be in a situation where lessons are taught in a way that we not only learn, but are inspired to learn more, teach others or change our practice.

Take a few minutes to reflect on activities that you have experienced as a participant in or outside of the classroom.  Your situation may have been in an informal or a formal setting.  What made the experience memorable for you?  Describe why you think you learned from it, what were the activities that worked why did they work?

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by Nina Saeli -
I am good at learning through reading, so when I am in a classroom, I prefer to listen and do. I remember attending a weeklong interactive farm business course. We were in the classroom in the mornings and out visiting farms in the afternoon. The speakers were good and had excellent worksheets for us to use. It was so frustrating, because the lectures were excellent and really got us thinking about our farm business and we were ready to dive into those worksheets and begin the process of positive change…but then we had to stop within 10-15 minutes each time so the next speaker could begin. I knew that we would not have time to work on those sheets when we got home, and it was so disappointing to lose all the creative ideas and momentum. What I learned from this experience, and what was once again emphasized when we met in person last week (but in a positive way), is that providing time for students to do some of their work in the classroom is crucial for fostering a deeper understanding of the topic, provides opportunities to ask questions and get assistance, and supports collaborative learning. This question and our experience during last week, come at a critical time when I am updating a 6-week course, and I plan to incorporate these lessons learned in my updated curriculum.
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by Carl Mierek -
I really enjoy learning opportunities that teach a concept then show an example of it in real life, however I see the folly in the business course you mentioned. Right when your mind is running through how everything you just heard applies to your own project, you are torn away to tour a farm and lose that momentum. Such a missed opportunity!
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by Michael Brown -
I completely agree that it's important for students to have time to apply their new knowledge in the classroom! Many of the learning experiences that I have enjoyed the most were structured this way, and really allowed me to solidify my understanding of the course materials.
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by Simone White -
Totally agree- it's so important to allow learners the time and space to apply what was learned to real situations. I feel like so much knowledge can be lost without that follow up.
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by Leigh Miller -
This is a great point, Nina. For my Utility Bill Workshop, I'd like to implement this tip by having people write down some steps they would like to take to reduce their utility bills, while we are in the workshop. That way, there is a written record for them to take home of which of the many actions presented that they would like to take.
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by Rachel Bortin -
I agree with you Nina, that having time in the classroom to practice and implement what you learned is extremely benificial. Once you learn something new that is of interest to you, you want to dive in, not move onto the next topic. I wish I had more time in my workday to be able to do this!
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by Celeste Carmichael -
I love this reflection. It isn't the way that we are typically trained to teach or learn - but I agree - so effective. I try to do this as much as I can, but do often get in the "rush to the next thing" headspace. Yet when we can get a headstart on the doing while learning...we are more motivated to keep doing and trying. Thanks for sharing!
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by Katie Weigle -
I completely agree with the importance of allowing students to work on their assignments during class time. When my daughters were in high school, they RARELY had homework because their teachers set aside time for them to be able to get their work done. And like you said, having someone right there to answer questions is so beneficial. I know this also really helped with my daughters' stress levels. Trying to fit homework in with school, sports, and whatever other activities can feel almost impossible at times
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by Carl Mierek -
It was funny to see the "sage on the stage" phrase in the coursework here after recently hearing an instructor from a Cornell HR webinar let us know he didn't consider himself one. I think it was important to point out in a zoom chat filled with many accomplished working professionals. When we are school age children, our teachers take on more of the "sage" role because comparatively we knew very little about the world. The information exchange was much more of a one way street. This is vastly different than in an adult learning setting where the students undoubtably have a great deal of professional and life experience, as well as previous education on the subject matter that they can share with the group. I think opening things up to the group like this allows learners to be more engaged and challenge themselves to apply what is being discussed to their own personal experiences and not just try to be a sponge absorbing everything. This application of knowledge being taught is a key factor in our retention of what we learn. It moves us from a passive to active mindset.

Another impactful learning experience I've recently had was attending "Witness to Injustice" put on by NOON (Neighbors of the Onondaga Nation). This interactive experience used story telling to turn the classroom into a map and each learner into a representative of a North American tribe. By making everyone in the room a part of the retelling of history, it helped them personally connect to those who suffered the consequences of the Doctrine of Discovery and be engaged learners. I would highly recommend the program who anyone who has not yet experienced it (I saw Leigh there)!
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by Simone White -
The experience you described with NOON sounds so interesting! What a unique and fun way to engage with the audience. I also think it's interesting how the "sage on the stage" role might change from children to adult learning, but also important to meet your audience where they are when it comes to ways for engagement. Thank you for sharing!
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by Nina Saeli -
I love storytelling as a way of learning and driving home a point! I try to use this in the classroom to and include some stories about how things do not always go well. When in the military, I frequently used my personal stories of how things did not go well, for one to make myself more real to my students and two to help them learn from my mistakes.
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by Linnea Haskin -
Storytelling is so powerful! That sounds like a very interesting experience. I have been particularly interested in how storytelling is used to share the work we do at CCE. Education is the core of what we do, and finding unique and engaging ways to really connect our community members, board members, funders etc. to the impacts we have is so valuable. Thanks for sharing!
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by Leigh Miller -
It was good to see you at the training, Carl, which I agree was made more effective by being interactive. And Nina - I like your tip about telling a personal story, and both of your reasons for doing so.
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by Melinda Drabant -
Yes any experience with engaging story telling is always a good learning experience, especially when its visual for the story as well - I'd like to learn to incorporate this more into my own teaching as well.
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by Katie Weigle -
I also attended "Witness to Injustice" (and highly recommend). The way they shared their history through storytelling was so powerful. Having the visuals of losing their land and the information they shared will definitely stay with me. I found that to be much more effective than coming in with a PowerPoint presentation and just providing the information.
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by Sarah Tobin -
That type of story telling really sticks in my experience. Thanks for sharing!
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by Scott Hudson -
As I was thinking about my experiences in some sort of 'classroom', I couldn't help but think about my own career as a teacher, before joining CCE/4-H. I always strived to create experiences where students felt heard, had a say in what was accomplished, had ownership over their learning, were inspired to take it further, etc. All of these practices made teaching more and more enjoyable, and rewarding at the same time.

Thinking about my experiences on the other side, as a learner, I reflect on a recent training I participated in, Youth Mental Health First Aid. The instructor created a space where we all felt like we were a very important piece of the puzzle. Everyone had a sense of belonging and purpose. I walked away from that training not only well informed, but inspired to continue learning and growing. Those types of experiences lead to greater outcomes and more impact!
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by Carl Mierek -
Scott, I love the points your bring up about belonging and having a role to play as a learner in the education process. I totally agree that when students are engaged in an active way and contributing to the classroom experience, they are challenging themselves to understand and apply the material, resulting in better learning outcomes.
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by Michael Brown -
It's great to hear about your experiences both as a teacher and a student. It really is a joy to experience effective teaching, especially when many of us I'm sure have experienced the opposite. Having been a student, and now a teacher, I really appreciate when it is apparent that a teacher has clearly made an effort to not only 1) think about the content being delivered, but 2) also about the student's experience. When developing programming, I often have to remind myself to focus on both, as it's easy to fall into the trap of just focusing on #1.
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by Simone White -
I agree with Carl, I really like that you try to create a setting where learners feel heard and have some sort of ownership over learning. Having that autonomy to take learning or projects a step further and apply that learning to another experience is really useful and reinforces the key concepts.
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by Melinda Drabant -
Scott - it sounds like you are in the perfect role being engulfed in 4H. Both the learning and lecturer side seem to fit with with the traits you mentioned such as "felt heard", sense of belonging and purpose, and "inspired." I totally agree any time an activity or event can feel personal is very impactful.
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by Sarah Tobin -
To echo the others, feeling like you have a role and connection to the group makes a real difference. Thanks for sharing!
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by Michael Brown -
A few years ago I was a guest faculty member with Bard College's Citizen Science Program - this is a required course for all first year students at Bard College, and focuses on developing science literacy with students. During our training for the course, myself and colleagues learned active teaching methods, and how active teaching differs from passive teaching. As part of this training we got to experience first-hand different active teaching methods (e.g. group work, think-pair-share) so that we could incorporate them into our delivery of the program. This was my first introduction into formally thinking about teaching and was a real eye opener - I suddenly realized why so many previous learning experiences throughout high school and college were so difficult for me, as they had often been delivered with a passive teaching approach (sage on the stage), and I think about this experience often as I develop programming for others. It was great to experience the training in this manner, essentially as students ourselves doing active learning, so that we could experience the effectiveness of the methods first hand, and then apply and hone them when delivering the course.

On a related note, I recently had to learn/teach myself a new style of guitar for some upcoming shows. I was able to do so by learning and practicing the basics at home by myself, and then applying these skills during full band rehearsals. I'm realizing now that this was a form of a "flipped classroom", a classic active learning strategy where students encounter information for the first time out of the classroom (e.g. learning the song chords), and then apply that information at a higher level in the classroom (e.g. playing the song musically in an ensemble). This would not have worked for example if I had spent rehearsal time teaching myself the basics (while my bandmates looked on and waited).
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by Nina Saeli -
Thank you for mentioning the concept of active teaching methods (e.g. group work, think-pair-share)...it is definitely something I am going to research to determine how I can incorporate into the course I am updating and future courses.
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by Colin Hostetter -
Mike,

This is a great perspective. I wrote about my personal experience during my MBA where I retained nothing from many of the microcredential I had to take because they were very long lecture style recordings with no interaction and were very boring. On the other hand, my interactive classes where we had to apply the teachings I learned and retained the most.

Thats cool you taught a Bard, I lived in Germantown for five years. Nice area!
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by Stephanie Somerville Zamora -
Hi Michael, I can completely relate to suffering from a passive teaching approach like sage on the stage in college. It seemed to work better for me as a child and up to a certain part in high school, but I now prefer experiential learning methods.
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by Scott Hudson -
I believe our society and world is now demanding more and more active teaching, simply because there are so many inputs and stimuli for youth now. This active teaching that keeps the engagement up, is now essential when trying to relate to a diverse group or audience.
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by Simone White -
I learn best by doing and practicing, or if I can visualize a concept; I do not learn well through lectures or reading. A great example of this was one particular class I struggled with during my undergraduate years. I always earned pretty good grades, so it was very frustrating that this class just would not click with me. The class was presented as a lecture-style, but the professor in particular was hard for me to understand and often said the wrong thing and corrected himself later, which added to my confusion. This class included a separate laboratory component too, and I found that concepts would "click" more after having done the laboratory piece. Going through the labs was also a different way I could learn the material, as the lectures were not working for me.

It's interesting to think back on my teaching experiences too and how they have evolved too. The first time I "taught" was during also during my undergraduate years as a teaching assistant; this experience was very straight forward, as all of the information we were to teach was handed to us, so we did not need to create any type of lesson plan. It was not until I had to create my own lesson plans that I put more thought into who my audience is, what their needs are, and what prior knowledge they have. I like to include as much "doing" as I can when teaching, even if it's just asking the audience questions, because engagement is key for learning. If learners are not engaged, they are not likely to remember that information or take what they learned to apply to situations.
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by Linnea Haskin -
Simone, I like the points you bring up about catering your lesson plans to the audience. So often we are provided a curriculum, and those lessons can be monotonous, or not as spontaneous, as they could be if we spent time to craft lessons ourselves. I struggled with this when I was a substitute teacher using other's lesson plans. I find having that space for audience engagement, as you mentioned time for questions etc. can really set the stage for more productive learning.
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by Stephanie Somerville Zamora -
Hi Simone, I like what you said about engagement being the key for learning. I recall being in many lectures as an undergrad and easily letting my mind wander and struggling to focus. Lab work was definitely my favorite part of those classes that had the two components. When you are actively doing the work and seeing the results of your experiments, it is definitely easier to stay focused and learn.
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by Linnea Haskin -
My degree is in Social Work, and I have my MSW, which has had me experience a variety of learning situations: lectures; online courses; internships. However, what helped me the most was role-play, as well as what is known as a process recording. For role-play, our class would break off into pairs, and role-play situations or conversations common between a counselor/social worker and client. A process recording is a written document, where once we interacted with real-life clients, we recorded our exact conversation, and then went line by line to analyze our statements, and reactions, and assign what our emotions were at the time, how we reacted to client's statements. Both of these exercises were helpful in learning how I formed my discussions with clients, how I was able to practice reacting to certain situations, and how best to manage my emotions in situations that were often very charged. I think that role-playing can be very instrumental in teaching situations, particularly when the task is to learn something that can be intimidating or emotional. I have participated in several role-playing exercises across my career, ranging from work with refugee populations to preparing for public speaking. I find it valuable to take time to practice, as well as look back on what could be done differently, and have found that the role-playing has influenced my work in 'real-life' for the positive.
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by Stephanie Somerville Zamora -
Hi Linnea, both of those activities sound very interesting. I'm curious to learn more about how you used role playing for preparing for public speaking. I try to have a word by word script but usually if I don't have enough time to practice (bad time management skills), I get so nervous and forget what I wanted to say.
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by Celeste Carmichael -
I love this reflective practice Linnea. And it sounds like the experience that you went through - line by line review is much like what a qualitative researcher would do to indentify nuances and trends. I may have forgotten that you were trained as a social worker/counselor. My oldest daughter is at Northwestern right now studying to do the same. She loves the program - my sense is that it has really honed her skills in how to listen closely. I bet those skills come in handy in your work as well.
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by Colin Hostetter -
During my MBA program I experienced the positive and negative situations described in the prompt.

On the negative side, I was required to take multiple microcredential courses, with the vast majority being noninteractive, hours long videos broken up into different sections. Admittedly, many of the topics were things I am interested in and wish I had retained the information. Unfortunately, the delivery was very boring and was not interactive so I honestly kept getting distracted and did the bare minimum to complete the courses (they were just pass/fail).

Conversely, during some of my actual classes we were required to learn programs such as Tableau and Power BI. In those classes we had instructional videos on how to use the program and then were given assignments to implement what we learned. The process of applying the lessons to real world examples moved the experience from teaching to learning. This process allowed for the information to be retained and provided me with new skills.
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by Rachel Bortin -
Colin, I completly agree with you that being able to apply what you have learned (in a real world scenario) is one of the best ways to retain and learn a skill. I also think it is important to apply that information shortly after you have learned it, it is very hard to implement something months after learning it.
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by Colin Hostetter -
Agreed! Thinking back to my MBA program, I was becoming fairly comfortable with Tableau and Power BI, but if I were to use the programs today (its only been a year) I would be stumbling around a bunch to remember everything.
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by Leigh Miller -
As a learner, I have found that when I can learn-by-doing, I feel more confident going forward. As a participant, I prefer when someone demonstrates how they do something, then have me try completing the action myself with their help. Part of my job is compiling expenses into a monthly invoice for our regional team, and when I took on that task, my supervisor showed me how the process worked, and then the next month I did the processing myself with his supervision, and after that I felt more confident to do it myself.

As an instructor, I have found that the group is more engaged when they can learn through experience, versus listening to a lecture. I wanted to present to my team about common errors I saw in our reporting, and with my supervisor's coaching, I switched from presenting the errors to them, to creating several fake reports with errors, and having the team work in pairs to find the errors, and then the group discussed the errors. I received positive feedback about the exercise, and learned to try to make future presentations more interactive, with quizzes and games when possible.
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by Colin Hostetter -
Leigh,

I completely agree with your post and I have the same learning style. Spending the time to create the fake reports with errors is an awesome way to team others.

Admittedly, I have to actively remember to make my programs engaging as it does take more effort to plan them in this way compared to lecture style.

Colin
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by Rachel Bortin -
When I was child I attended sleepaway camp every summer for 2 weeks. Each summer we worked on a different service project and I distinctly remember two service projects; the playground by the lake and the building the handicapped accessible campsite. Both of these projects were strongly impactful on me because I left a lasting positive affect on the camp. The playground and campsite that we built are still there today! While doing these projects I was surrounded by my friends (fellow campers and counselors), I was able to use and practice using power tools and build confidence!
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by Scott Hudson -
These examples of real world problems and projects are exactly what youth, and adults, need in order to actively learn and grow. The added benefit is that they are contributions to communities that have lasting impact! I can certainly see how these projects would be something that stuck with you over time, thanks for sharing.
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by Melinda Drabant -
Both as a learner and instructor I have found commonalities that most groups connect with, a big one being that hands on experiences lead to more fulfillment and longer standing knowledge of the act that the individual or group was being taught.
As a learner - the more engaging whether its hands on or with visual pictures, the better I am at not only connecting and honing in on the meat of the topic, but also can retain the knowledge longer. I remember in a psychology class going over the same concept of myelin sheath that covers a neuron over and over in the text book before class. Reading it again and again I could only conceptualize this idea of what the words were explaining. Once in class and the instructor showed a photo reference of this "myelin sheath" acting in the same way that a aglet acts for the end of a shoelace protecting the exterior of the lace but still being able to see through is when it all clicked.

As an instructor- I try to remember concepts that work well for my learning as well as adding group activities - this way the learners get hands on experience but in the group there may be multiple ways of learning which can helps others in the group understand as well.
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by Celeste Carmichael -
Such beautiful and rich responses here. Thank you all for sharing!!

In the classroom, I tend to thrive in an environment that is hands-on - be it physically hands on like - tours, doing something, or mentally hands on -- reflecting and writing. When I wrote this question originally, my visual for exceptional learning environment was the experience that I had as an undergraduate. I was a bio major - tended to love my coursework that was focussed on natural resources over human biology or cell biology....just felt more relevant to me, though initially I thought I'd end up doing something in medicine (because that was a career choice that I knew about). I spent part of a summer at Shoals Marine Lab (6 nautical miles off of the coast of Maine and NH). Everything was hands-on and because we were all there all the time - there was dialogue based learning happening perhaps not intentionally, but we were learning from one another and had access to the faculty all the time. Anyway - my career path didn't go in that direction but the concepts of what made the experience stick --- hands on, dialogue based, relevant experiences are etched in my mental notebook as "ways that I want to to teach and learn"
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by Katie Weigle -
This immediately reminded me of a psychology professor I had during undergrad. At first, he seemed a bit unconventional. His teaching style was nothing like the traditional textbook or lesson plan approach. Instead, he would tell stories from his life that, at first, seemed completely unrelated to the course material. You’d find yourself wondering what he was rambling about, until he casually connected it back to that week's topic. I aced every exam (short answer) because I would recall the stories he told and I would be able to connect the story to what the question was asking.
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by Sarah Tobin -
One of the most impactful learning experiences I’ve had was during my training as a field inspector for ornamental trees. You can’t truly learn this work in a classroom or from a book. You need to be in the landscape, observing the tree and its context.
I had to consider everything: irrigation, soil conditions, recent imports, nutrient management — all the variables that could mimic or mask disease. The learning happened through doing, not just watching.
That fieldwork taught me not just to diagnose, but to think like a problem solver
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by Joseph Amsili -
Nice! Learning while doing is the best. I always make sure to go out with my new aids or support specialists to make sure they learn it right the first time. Correcting learning is so much easier in the beginning, but becomes harder if someone thinks they are doing it right already.
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by Joseph Amsili -
I think some of the best learning experiences I have had is when a mentor asked me to walk them through the process as if I was explaining it or teaching it to them. By teaching the process or lab method you are required to know the process in much greater detail and forces you to share what you know (exposing things that you might not have considered yet). This teaching tool also allows the mentor to provide input on things you may have forgotten as you were explaining, which provides for immediate feedback and learning.