4. DISCUSS: Teaching and Learning...

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Teaching and learning are two related but different concepts.  We can be in a classroom (real or virtual, formal or informal) where concepts are taught...but we don't learn.  And other times we can be in a situation where lessons are taught in a way that we not only learn, but are inspired to learn more, teach others or change our practice.

Take a few minutes to reflect on activities that you have experienced as a participant in or outside of the classroom.  Your situation may have been in an informal or a formal setting.  What made the experience memorable for you?  Describe why you think you learned from it, what were the activities that worked why did they work?

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by Melissa Spoon -
Honestly to me one of the most important things is that people need to be interested in what they are being taught in order to learn. I know for me when someone is teaching about something that is not important to me that I do not pay attention as much as I would if it was something I cared about. I just recently went to a canning class and I really enjoyed it and learned a lot, but I needed to learn it for work. I have to be able to teach it so it was important for me to learn (plus the teacher was very down to earth and taught very well). The instructor did a good job at explaining things, and it was also hands on. For many people learning something that is hands on is easier when you get to be hands on in the classroom.
Like the lesson says knowing your audience is really important when it comes to teaching and whether people learn or not. Many times it is important to ask in the beginning of class what people are expecting to get out of it. I taught a class once where it was suppose to be on communication. When I asked why people came, the said they wanted to know how to communicate with their supervisors better. In order to help them we focused on that topic of communications so they got what they needed and actually learned something.
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by Celeste Carmichael -
That is a good reflection. Theories of adult education put relevance up top as a motivator. I often think about - where are there carrots or sticks? In the case of some CEUs (continuing education units) there are requirements for training - people have to be there. In the case of informal education like Extension - most of the time people WANT to be there...so it is important to know why they want to be there. Often there is a social component and we have to consider providing opportunities for adults to share their knowledge with each other (peer-to-peer). Again - having a reflective practice (write about what works and what doesn't regularly) will help you to craft your style and sharpen your methods. PS - I love that you took a canning class!!
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by Melissa Spoon -
In the service we had hours and hours of annual training. It is a good reminder that for extension stuff most people want to be there and do not have to be. It reminds me that even if only one person shows up and you teach them something that it was worth doing the class. I am actually taking a pressure-cooking canning class this week also so I can learn that as well. Water canning was pretty easy and I actually did it last week. I feel pretty proud of myself on learning a new skill. Thanks for the feedback and guidance!
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by Rexx-Javier Isley -
This is a great perspective (my parents were BOTH Marines, thank you for your service!) that is easy to forget not just in the civilian/serviceperson perspective, but also for different learning groups!
Going to a public school in NYS meant a LOT of state-mandated testing, reading, and so on. It definitely impacted my own experiences around learning, and that can create opportunities for us in the work we do! (There's no standardized testing to stress over, we can do hands-on activities and pivot our coursework, etc.)
It's easy to forget that people often participate in our programs because they WANT to be there, not because they were "volun-told" to participate, or because it checks some obligatory box for a role or certification.
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by Meghan Kerr -
Hi Rexx,

It does make sense that people come to our programs because they want to learn something. That does make a huge difference in how much impact we can have if we have a willing and enthusiastic audience.
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by Meghan Kerr -
Hi Melissa, I like what you said about knowing your audience. It makes so much sense to ask why people are taking a course and what they hope to get out of it. And it's great that you were able to pivot or alter your class a little to accommodate the interests of the participants. I hope I remember to do that in the future.
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by Mallory Illsley -
Melissa, I agree with you that it is important for the person teaching to be passionate about the topic! It definitely makes a difference and is valuable when the lesson has a hands-on experience and engages the audience. Those taking the class can feel the educator's passion and be inspired and then have a chance to retain the information by doing it. I agree these are important components of successful teaching.
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by Rexx-Javier Isley -
I learned a really good spin on a classic phrase recently that totally applies here.
Most of us are probably familiar with, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink."
A webinar I was part of recently added, "But you CAN make them thirsty."
It really got me thinking about ways to encourage and invigorate people to have interest in the work I'm doing, and it was very ironic because the entire rest of that webinar was completely unmemorable.
At least that part stuck out, and like you said, it got me to pivot my own thinking and how I'll move forward.
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by Melissa Spoon -
I like that line also. Good food for thought, on making them thirsty. I love going to classes and getting inspired to do something. Some teachers just have the power to get you all motivated. I strive to be that kind of teacher.
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by Vicki Fleming -
Love this! My project is to try and develop an introduction to DEI work for staff. At some point it might become a mandatory training. How to create sparks for people that don't think they need to the training, or it becomes drudgery because it is mandatory. Make them thirsty! My thought it is to tug at heart string a bit and make things relatable. I guess there was success to the webinar because you got one thing out of it.
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by BRITTANY NAUMANN -
I think this is the most inspirational quote. I can see why the rest of the webinar didn't stick, that's a hard one to follow up with. Hopefully it was tips on how to "make the horse thirsty" but that varies so much it's hard to pinpoint with each individual "horse's" interests and needs.
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by Linda Altenburger -
Hey Rexx. Truly enjoyed your sharing this phrase as this used to be a saying I used to say all the time earlier in my life/career. While I never thought to tack on the piece you eloquently cited from the webinar you attended, I soon decided how important it was to keep trying, in different ways, maybe even offer up other ways of hydrating to "make them thirsty". Of course we all know the classic phrase is not meant specifically for thoroughbreds, but for people taking our classes/workshops/lessons. We need to offer up other options, make it fun, engaging, exciting for our participants to "make them thirsty" for what we are teaching.
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by Christina Nadolne -
Although I agree that people want to learn what you are teaching, I also think that in some cases, making the subject appealing can cause a change in heart. For instance, I was not a big history fan in high school. But then one teacher just brought an enthusiasm to the class and it became one of my favorite classes and I learned a bunch of great trivia that I would not have with other educators.
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by Ryan Kincaid -
I agree that understanding people's motivations for why they participate/attend is important. I like including a question like that on the volunteer applications for 4-H to see why people are signing up to volunteer - is there something they're looking to gain, hoping to do, or some other reason that we might not konw about, but could frame their perspective and how they approach their role?

I think most people struggle to learn/really be invested if they're not interested. A question I wonder, is how do we get people to get interested in something they might not know they like, or is important, but maybe isn't the most interesting? With kids, we can present things in interesting ways - with adults it feels a little trickier...
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by Harrison Tobi -
I wrote my post before reading yours. Could not agree more that if someone is not emotionally invested in what they are presenting, then the presentation falls flat and most audience members can tell. In this scenerio, I try to pay attention as an audenience member, but I often find myself losing focus, and at times, even a little annoyed. I think watching other people present, both the good and the bad, has significantly benefitted me in regards to presenting. I primarily present at conferences, but I sometimes do "workshops" at the lab and will have all my SCUBA equipment, aquaculture gear, and live shellfish on display. I like the workshops because it helps people visualize what my work is and everyone seems to love watching baby scallops swim around a fishtank.
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by Linda Altenburger -
Melissa, I totally agree with everything you discussed above, especially about knowing what it is that attracted someone to a lesson/class or what it is they hope to get out of it. Maybe they are there because their parents made them take the class or their spouse, etc but their heart isn't in it. Then it is likely that learning will not take place due to the disconnect.
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by Rexx-Javier Isley -
The article link caught me in a loop, but I was able to find it here:
https://scholarsjunction.msstate.edu/jhse/vol3/iss2/6/
Factors Impacting Program Delivery: The Importance of Implementation Research in Extension Ryan J. Gagnon, Nancy Franz, Barry A. Garst, & Matthew F. Bumpus.

Hope that helps anyone else that might hit a security hiccup!
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by Celeste Carmichael -

Thank you RJ - I've fixed the link!

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by Rexx-Javier Isley -
Thanks for all of these amazing resources!
I haven't encountered as many materials from Extensions in other states until PDLC, it's very exciting.
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by Meghan Kerr -
I think of teaching and learning as two sides of the same process. Teaching is the act of sharing knowledge and learning is integrating knowledge. That being said, I think there are a lot of variables related to learning: interest in the subject, learning style (auditory, visual, kinesthetic, etc.), and teaching methods all impact how much information is absorbed by the learner. I think information is integrated most readily by a lot of people (adults and children) when there is an interactive component to a lesson. This allows for deeper thought and experiential participation, which probably also leads to the integration of new information into the framework of what is already known. I know for me personally, this is how I remember new information - by making connections to things that I already know. I think it is important that an educational program be designed in a way that allows for people with different learning styles to process information in a way that works for them. For instance, a program with auditory, visual and kinesthetic components could allow for all types of learners to benefit. For me hands-on is always good because I tend to remember what I participate in more than what they just listen to.  When I was in massage school, I feel like everyone had an easy time of learning anatomy etc. because they allowed us to choose how we'd like to participate.  Do you want to color this image of the muscle system and label muscles? Do you want to feel where muscles are on a real person?  Are you all set after listening to this lecture? 
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by Mallory Illsley -
Well said Meghan, I agree on your perspective that teaching and learning are two parts of the same process. There are many different variables that relate to learning and with the different methods of teaching/ learning others may require different techniques. A combination of teaching styles would be helpful for the different types of learners, like you experienced in learning anatomy.
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by Vicki Fleming -
I agree with the multi-layered approach Meghan. In my post I added the shared learning experience. I feel like developing those relationships with classmates/participants can also add to the levels of retention especially if you are discussing outside of class. Encouragement of each other (like this model of a forum) will make the experience pleasurable and make the learner excited about learning.
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by Ryan Kincaid -
I really like how you described it, and agree that it's helpful to present things in a variety of ways to reach a variety of learners. I also tend to make connections to what I already know from my lived experience; when I was a teacher I emphasized that and would intentionally ask my students to make a connection to something from their lives and/or other classes so they could understand the concepts differently and see similarities to what they already knew.

So cool that you were given the option of how to learn so everyone could get to the point of understanding in their own way. :)
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by BRITTANY NAUMANN -
I love that massage school had different ways to participate that appeal to different learning styles! I wonder how we could implement that in our own projects with very specific end goals it can be easy to get tunnel vision but so important to take the time to appeal to the larger masses.
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by Mallory Illsley -
As many of you already stated, teaching and learning do go hand in hand. Also, with that fact, just because someone is very knowledgeable on a subject doesn't mean they will be a good teacher to others on the same subject. There are different learning types, visual, auditory, and hands on, etc.. so how do we become a "better teacher" and allow our audience a chance to learn new information and retain the knowledge? From my personal experiences as a student, and player (athlete) and then as a coach and now educator, it does benefit more participants when there is a combination of teaching techniques. In addition, having someone that is passionate and knowledgeable on the topic is very important. When participants can listen to the educators' words, while visually seeing words on a power point or a live demonstration that follows along, and then they also have a chance to carry out the task with a hands-on experience, they are much more likely to retain the information and be inspired by the presentation. When you only have one teaching technique in a presentation, you may lose the other participants that require another type of learning. My classroom lessons usually involve speaking to the class with visual aids, and then I end the lesson with a hands-on experience that incorporates the subject matter and helps them to understand the process by building the gap between concept and reality. I recently, was asked to only do a talk about composting for a youth program that was outside. I was out of my normal routine as I only had paper and an easel as tools. The students were not interested in the subject, and I could tell that I was losing their focus. Unfortunately, I didn't have any visual aids and I didn't have an interactive component. I was unable to recover and gain the engagement of the entire group and only had about 5 students participating in the interactive questions or dialogue of my presentation. From here, I definitely need to come up with a better plan for a lecture style presentation and try to incorporate the teaching techniques for a more engaging lesson. I think it is important for an educator to reflect on their teaching style and program to see what they need to adapt and make changes to for different audiences.
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by Christina Nadolne -
I completely agree with the fact that being knowledgeable does not make you a good teacher. I find that I myself often make assumptions of the knowledge/understanding that others have. Also, many people learn in different ways, and a teaching style may not be as effective in every situation. I learn much better when I hear a topic, rather than just reading it. So, sometimes I will listen to a discussion or book on tape. I will retain it better.
It is important for self-reflection as well. Great insight
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by Harrison Tobi -
Some very knowledge individuals I know are awful presenters. They can be very matter of fact, like here is my data, and here is what it means with no evidence of emotion or passion. I find that these individuals typically are truly invested in their work, but don't know how to express it to an audience (maybe stage fright?). If a presenter isn't passionate about what they're presenting, I often find myself inadvertently asking "well, if you don't care, why should I?". Maybe not the best way of thinking, but I doubt I am the only one in the audience that was thinking it. Also, since I pay more attention to presentations in which the presenter is engaging and passionate, I find I ask more questions. Thus, I try very hard to be engaging and passionate during a presentation, becuase I often learn or get new ideas from audience questions. Hence, I am able to learn from the people I was teaching.
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by Ryan Kincaid -
I had my first 4-H after-school session yesterday and partway through thought "I need to change up how I'm teaching this next time" - which will be helpful going forward, but insufficient in the moment if the materials needed aren't readily available - such as you said - being outdoor in a different setting - or me being in a school without access to some of my materials at the office. But every time is a learning opportunity and we can modify for the future. :)
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by Christina Nadolne -
I think this is a similar concept of listening and hearing. One may hear you, but does not retain what you said and vice versa. To learn, you need to have an understanding/comprehension of what is being taught to you. For instance, a third grader may have a basic math concept, but breaking out calculus is not going to be successfully taught or learned.
I have a tendency to think people are on the same wavelength as me. That just because I have a good understanding of something, they will understand what I am trying to teach them. I work hard to break down to a level that is appropriate for the group I am working for.
One example is teaching a prayer at religious education. You can teach someone how to recite words, but do they understand what it means.
For the "Our Father", I broke each line down and gave one line to each student. I had them reflect and explain what they think it means, and then discuss their thoughts. Not only did they learn what I was teaching, I learned as well.
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by Ernie Francis -
Excellent point. Wrote Memorization would only have a 15% retention rate, I like how you were able to break down the lesson to ensure everyone "Understood" what they were saying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_pyramid
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by Vicki Fleming -
The things that make learning experiences most memorable and enjoyable for me are learning something new and the shared experience. Whether I am going with someone that I know or I meet people in the space, you are in it together. 4-H is the perfect fit for me because the experiential type of learning is what I am most drawn to. I want to walk away with a product. I want to be able to replicate it. I want to share the knowledge. I can still remember a birds of prey program I did 30 years ago because they made things relational. Owl eyes are comparable to softballs in our heads. That's a great visual! But I was just speaking with a staff member yesterday who explained she cannot visualize things. Graphs, pictorial charts, visualization lessons are not effective tools for her. So, we need to be adaptive to different types of learning. She prefers a lecture type setting. How do we best balance those needs?
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by Joshua Perry -
Balancing the learning needs of everyone is such a difficult task. Everyone learns differently and trying to meet the needs of everyone I don't think has a singular easy answer. Maybe taking a survey on preferred learning styles could be helpful. Or surveys after the class has ended to see how the program could be developed further to meet the needs of everyone. Or at least try to meet the needs. Being adaptive to your audience I agree is key to ensue that they understand what you're trying to teach. Also taking the time to answer questions thoroughly when they arise may help with any sort of confusion that may or may not occur.
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by Ryan Kincaid -
During college, I was in a class called "Africa: Myths and Realities", during which we had to remember the names of all the countries in Africa and be able to label a map without the aid of a computer/map, etc. I called my mom and we brainstormed a song together that incorporated all of the names at the time, in an organized, methodical way. When the time came, I got 100% because I was able to think of the song in my head as I went through. To this day (over 10 years later) I still remember most of the song.
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by Joshua Perry -
I love this, amazing how little songs and tricks that is used years ago still resonates many years later. I still use tricks like that to this day to remember detailed things.
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by Ernie Francis -
That does sound nice, And i am glad you were able to 100 the project (Cause we so smart) :).

For patrons, it can be met with mixed reception. I understand that we are co-engaging with our audience and their engagement with the project would help with retention. Most patrons may give up or need attention to keep them engaged, in today's tiktok/ADD generation the channelge becomes harder for patrons.
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by BRITTANY NAUMANN -
Since college, I knew my career goal was to create and foster life long learners. I thought that meant being a public school teacher - spoiler alert, it wasn't. I fell out of love with the school system after seeing what it did to kids. They learned to hate going to school and associated that with not wanting to learn. The goal seemed to be teaching for test taking, not for true learning. I have such a deep love and respect for teachers, but I couldn't see myself spending the rest of my career doing that. Not long after, I fell in love with CCE and 4-H - such a perfect combination of connecting with youth, educating them but also empowering them to make the changes they want to see and truly fostering the love of being life long learning.

Being a certified special education teacher, I am well aware of different learning styles and teaching strategies. In my experience, 4-H does an excellent job with the hands on and interpersonal styles and the youth that come learn best in that style. Also in my experience, we could improve for needs of reading/writing/linguistic learners. Luckily for those learners, the school system focuses heavily on that style.

My most recent memorable experience as a participant was at a 4-H Wild Edibles training. I appreciated how all learning styles were touched upon. After being out in the field with someone with a wealth of knowledge, I know I will never look at the ground the same again. We stopped and were asked to identify a plant (for all I knew before the training I would say it was grass) and we went in depth about plantain, variations, its history, the nutritional content, what it has been known for medical purposes historically and so much more. Everywhere I go now I notice all these different plants and know their nutritional value. It's like a personal scavenger hunt anytime I walk somewhere new now and I love being able to challenge what I know, and I can't wait to become more comfortable with the content so I can teach others.

While I learned best being out in the field, identifying and harvesting the plants and later preparing, cooking and eating the food, I know others benefited more from the lecture, PowerPoint and print material we received and I'm sure others found the teach backs and conversations most meaningful. It was really wonderful to see all different learning styles incorporated into a training knowing everyone that attended got something valuable from the training.
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by Joshua Perry -
This questions resonates well with me. My father recently retired as an educator. He was the program head of his department which was a specialized agricultural department in a high school in the middle of Queens. Watching him teach throughout the years and now doing some educational work myself I find having an educator that is passionate, engaging, and entertaining is almost essential for audience engagement. You could have an audience that wants to be there and wants to learn but if the person who is delivering the program or class isn’t enthusiastic and/or engaging then the audience could lose some interest. I think we all remember being in school and having some teachers that just hit it home for you and others that made you day dream even if it was an interesting topic. Having an enthusiastic audience definitely aids in the energy of the entire event but again I find a lot of it will fall on the educator. There are other times where you just don’t have an exciting audience and that’s okay too. I’ve again found if you kept up the passion, interest, and excitement even if the audience isn’t engaging you can be confident that they should take home something from what you’re trying to teach.
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by Harrison Tobi -
When I was in grad school, one of my advisors always emphasized the need for a story when presenting and/or teaching. A person can have the most fascinating topic to talk about, but is not engaging because the overall message of the presentation is lost due to lack cohesion. I was definitely guilty of this in the past. When I make presentation now, I try to start with an outline that structures my presentation like a story. I also will provide an outline throughout the presentation that shows the audience we are essentially moving on to the next chapter. I find that structuring my presentations as a story also helps me stay passionate throughout, which keeps the audience emotionally involved. Presenting data is boring to most, but making part of the fabric of a story can make it fun. I love the feeling when I get excited while doing a talk and make eye contact with the members and see them smiling and nodding as well. I feel like it keeps the audience involved. On that note though, I have done interactive presentations where one or two audience members decide they just want to be heard, and it becomes very distracting, and often times visually annoying (body language) to other audience members. The first time this happened, I was a little flustered, and my presentation struggled for a minute because my "story" was ruined. Now, if an audience member asks a question mid-presentation that I intend to answer later in my story, I say something like "Great question. You'll appreciate the next slide." or "Great insight. We'll have to wait an see what comes next". I appreciate interactions during a presentation, but I often find most of these questions I am about to answer and the person just needs to be patient. I think most audiences I present to want to just listen and actually get annoyed by interuptions. FYI, most of my presentations are at conferences, where questions are encouraged at the end. If I was a teacher, obviously I would encourage questions during a lesson to make sure I am being clear in my teachings.
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by Ernie Francis -
My time in the classroom has been tough, my classes have been mostly rote memorization, reading and writing from a board without further discussion, demonstration. Only 15% of pyramid learning.

I went with my Niece to the Crayola experience in Orlando, they had an attraction where they taught the audience how crayons are made, starting from wax molding all the way into coloring, labeling, and packing crayons for distribution. There was also an animated story in between to engage younger viewers. I want to try and take that same experience and emulate the teaching environment in 3D Print Recycling.

I am hoping to use my shortcomings to deliver a Demonstration seminar with the 3D print recycler, encouraging discussion and providing pamphlets to teach others and spread the word.
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by Linda Altenburger -
What is important to always keep in mind when teaching is awareness of the various learning styles. As educators we know that each student has a different learning style and the more engaged/invested a participant is in learning , the more likely to take away knowledge and skills. While is it important to be aware of different learning styles ( visual, auditory or kinesthetic learners, etc), the best teachers adjust and cater to each student's strengths to insure both the desire and ability to learn.
Quite a number of years ago, I took a class where we were required to take a learning type "quiz" and then plot the outcome on a grid. I found the results very interesting and it really clicked for me how very differently people learn and why and ultimately how to make modifications in the classroom setting. It helped me to better handle and address learning disabilities in my own home.